Why do Redditors make fun of the 'security theatre' of the TSA but lose their shit over people not wearing a thin piece of cloth over their face?

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[–]zyxzevn 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

Both measures pretend to help, but in reality only do a small fraction of what they promise.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Help me understand, because I don't get this.

Even if I assume you are correct and the masks only help "a small fraction", is it really that hard of a fucking sacrifice to wear? Does it really ruin your fucking day to put a bandanna over your fucking face? Is your life really fucked up by this?

I would do it if it stopped 1% of the COVID pathogens from leaving my mouth because, frankly IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. You're not getting forced into the trenches of the Somme, your slightly changing your fashion.

[–]wuzizname 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

What if you were told you had to put three red dots on your cheek everyday to get served in stores even though you absolutely know the three red dots don’t protect you from shit?

A lot of people reject masks because they were flat out told by Fauci himself not so long ago that cloth masks don’t do shit because they don’t do shit. Viruses exist at the nano level, billionths of level, your cloth mask your niece sewed for you using old tee shirts wouldn’t filter out flour or wood dust let alone viruses.

So it’s really a lesson in the absurd - will people follow government advice and rules despite having access to evidence to the contrary? Can the government punish people for not complying even though it can be proven that these masks are not effectual barriers against covid? And the answer seems to be.... yes.

I’m not an anti masker. I wear a mask but I can understand the argument. I’m pretty convinced at this point in time, after spending a lot of time looking at the data myself and following it very closely, that Covid is not nearly as deadly as we and our leaders were lead to believe. The numbers are there, and Covid is tracking to be nowhere near the 9-10% mortality we were initially told, it’s looking to settle somewhere between 1-3% which puts it on par with SARS. I don’t blame our leaders for their initial reaction because if covid had ended up being more like it’s bad brother MERS which has a mortality rate of like 30-35% then we would’ve really been in the shit. But now that the evidence exists, compiled by countries that are not China who obviously used the virus to terrify the world into distraction while they used the distraction to occupy Hong Kong and buy up global assets on the cheap... now that the evidence exists our leaders should be working more and getting people back to living normal lives.

My 2 cents.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Masks were never designed to stop the viral particles, they are there to block a percentage of droplets that leave your mouth/nose which carry the viruses. Since COVID19 severity is heavily influenced by how much viral load you take in, this can mean life or death. So I don't think this-

What if you were told you had to put three red dots on your cheek everyday to get served in stores even though you absolutely know the three red dots don’t protect you from shit?

-is a reasonable analogy because I think there is some good evidence that masks offer some degree of protection even if it isn't anywhere close to absolute. Remember, people have been wearing masks in public in countries like India and China for decades now because of low air quality and population density- this isn't a new trend that cropped up overnight.

You're post is certainly reasonable though. And it's 100% clear that China took advantage of this whole situation nefariously and I would go even further and suggest that they are subversively scare mongering more (via social media propaganda, bots, business deals, etc) to get their economy ahead further. But I also think the data clearly shows that this virus hates old people and fat fucks and while China might not give a flying fuck about their vulnerable, we in the Western world do and have to make sacrifices for our elders.

[–]ChingChongdingdong 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If you think masks help go shot yourself

[–]Richard_Parker 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I agree with everything you say, but the mortality rate is likely below one percent...

[–]wuzizname 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Probably when all is said and done. There was a spate of bad flu cases in January. Half the people I work with took time off because of catching some “weird bug” that was going around after Christmas. And unless or until we test people for antibodies that never experienced any bad symptoms we won’t know for sure. Politicians keep talking about life not going back to normal until there’s a viable vaccine and that kind of talk drives me nuts because I’m sure that there are a lot of people that are already immune and viable vaccines won’t be readily available for years, possibly never as there is no vaccine for SARS or MERS.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Talks about mortality are all a little misleading tbh.

COVID19 appears to be much less harmful than influenza among healthy youth. What ends up happening is that media propagate freak outlier stories about a 18yo dying from COVID as if it is normal when the reality is that- 1) The victim was morbidly obese or 2) Freak complications arose which happens with every disease including influenza.

COVID has skewed mortality. It badly fucks up the elderly and the very fat which is unfortunately a large part of the States.

[–]wuzizname 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed. If you read deep enough into the story you often find that the younger victims, and even a lot of the more elderly, had diabetes or cancer or other serious issues already.

[–]zyxzevn 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Depending on what you do, and what masks you wear, you have certain negative health effects. You probably only have seen one side of the news. So there is a negative effect. In fairly common conditions it can also increase the infections, so the health effect can be negative.

Here is a long list of peer-reviewed research:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0brp94bu3g5bv1v/MASKED%20SCIENCE.pdf

And this needs to balance with the risk that is there. So if you are doing open heart surgery, or walking in a park, there is a huge difference.

South-Korea did the most extreme testing and measures, but that only works in the beginning. But at this stage, it is like wearing a condom at a baby shower. If people wanted me to wear masks in March, it would make sense.

Based on random testing, about 50% of people have had it. So we are already reaching herd-immunity. And with HCQ you can easily defeat it. Link: HCQ - One chart you need to see Also the change to oxygen instead of ventilators is saving people's lives.

But the medicine industry wants to cash in on it, with an experimental vaccine, to get their billions. And the corporations want to monopolize everything. And the complete censorship of the media& science. Both republicans and democrats are into it. So we have to wait a bit more, until no company is left and we can have our vaccine that does nothing (hopefully). The masks are there to make us wait more, and be afraid. And it has been made into a fake political issue by the democrats, who allow demonstrations but forbid churches.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Anyone getting blood-oxygen issues from surgical masks has underlying issues to look after. I'm sorry, but healthy adults don't have this issue. I'll have to look at the other studies in depth later- Occam's Razor would dictate that masks are not ineffective since they have widespread use in many places and industries but I'll dig more.

But the medicine industry wants to cash in on it, with an experimental vaccine, to get their billions. And the corporations want to monopolize everything.

You might want to research this more. Some medical companies are doing better while many others are failing due to falling numbers of routine surgeries/treatments. I track stock closely and most biomedicals are staying stable. The exception being Moderna, who's vaccine will enter phase 3 soon.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I do think if trump told them to wear a mask they would. But it's coming from liberals. Very divided nation now. I don't think other countries have anti mask people.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's in Australia too. Not sure it's partisan, moreso that the baby boomer generation is a unique brand of stubborn.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

true yeah I think it is similar to wearing seatbelts or not smoking in bars. Those had pushbacks at first too.

[–]whistlepig 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you've spent your whole life not changing your life because of something like the flu, then you're not going to be interested in changing your life due to something else that is just as risky.

[–]FreneticFrequencies 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

it's not difficult. you can abide to wearing the masks and still ridicule it

[–]whistlepig 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That isn't something I would be proud of

[–]BestGirlPieck 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I still wear a mask everywhere I go, but i get the frustration. I work in retail and it is not fun having to wear them for multiple hours everyday