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    [–]Awkward_moments 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Yes if you run the numbers. Getting something that massive into orbit is scales of magnitude larger than getting from earth orbit to the moon and back.

    For me that seems the hard bit, getting something that massive to orbit, no one seems to think that didn't happen. So if they can do the difficult part why couldn't they do the easy bit?

    Also the Russians have no doubt the Americans got to the moon. If there was any doubt, or even a reasonable way they could cast doubt without looking like complete idiot's they would have. But they didn't.

    Also they left a bloody mirror up there.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    they left a bloody mirror up there

    they did?

    [–]Tovasshi 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yes, they sim lasers at it once in a while to bounch back so they can measure how the distance between the earth and moon changes over time.

    [–]theFriendlyDoomer 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    Yup. The Soviets would have exposed that we hadn't, if we hadn't.

    [–]Riva 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    And the American media would have dutifully reported it? If a Russian tree falls in the woods and no one hears about it, did it happen?

    [–]NorfolkTerrier 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    They would have framed it as a Russian conspiracy theory or disinfo campaign, if they disputed it. Regardless, today information can flow freely from Russia, and Russia never claimed anything against the moon missions.

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      [–]theFriendlyDoomer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Okay, I'll bite . . . then why does the Soviet Union no longer exist?

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Yes, primarily because I heard that the Chinese (who were not involved in the landings themselves and are thus somewhat more neutral) were able to verify there were footprints up there.

      [–]Riva 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      Pics or gtfo, China

      [–]pequenoloco 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      I don't know, but if it was faked, I could certainly see why America would do so for propaganda purposes. Better than most conspiracies where some enigmatic group does something sinister that somehow vaguely furthers their goal of 'taking over the world'.

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        [–]pequenoloco 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        but confirmation bias is quite addictive and powerful so many can't let go of their snags.

        Exactly, it is comforting for some people to believe that malevolent forces orchestrate the entirety of world events, rather than believing bad things happens with no greater plan whatsoever. It is more comforting for some people to believe in cruel order over chaos.

        [–]Anatolia 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        cruel order creates chaos...

        everything being "random" is just analytical philosophy sophist bullshit. things happen for a reason, people interact with their own agency which affects time and the course of reality.

        [–]Locke 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Yes.

        [–]_XEAL_ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Yes, because I don't believe they built all those advanced computers just to fake a landing.