What do SaidItors make of this? | Atlanta Police walkout following murder charge against officer who shot Rayshard Brooks

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I'd like to hear opinions on this. The police can do this because they're unionized, it seems, ... which is good from an employee wellfare standpoint. It doesn't seem good for officers to get away with murder on the job. Their job puts them in dangerous situations though and it seems like this was a dangerous situation. And I'm not sure what to make of this situation with Rayshard Brooks in the first place, not sure if the officer is guilty of misconduct or not.

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    Thanks for sharing your take.

    (but then it has to be admitted that tasers are dangerous enough to justify killing. Also when police use them.)

    well tasers are meant to incapacitate, a hostile could them further harm an incapacitated person.

    Didn't realize he kicked the guy after he was already incapacitated. I thought he was trying to fire the taser at the cop -- if he succeeded wouldn't that put the cop in mortal danger? If that's not what happened and he was just running away, it seems like a different situation. But if he was trying to tase the cop what else was he supposed to do to avoid getting killed in the line of duty?

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    I was under the impression that they quit. A walk out is far less meaningful. It would of course be a violation of the union contract. It is technically an unofficial strike. Most Union contracts stipulate that you can be terminated for doing that. However, I don't see them firing police officers over this.

    The Brooks shooting was justified. He was so drunk that he passed out while driving. He then violently resisted arrest, shot at police and could well have escaped. They were protecting the public by stopping him. We can't live in a society where you get to go free if you can beat a cop in hand to hand combat. Everyone defending this criminal is an unreasonable, ignorant, easily manipulated simpleton.

    I would like to see police corruption addressed, and even today cops deny that they are corrupt. With that kind of attitude from the entire establishment there really is no other option than trying to smash the system and start over.

    People have been trying to fix the system for decades and haven't been able to move the needle one tiny bit. The idea that we can simply reform the police department is just as ignorant as the belief that we don't need any kind of policing.

    There are no good options here. I predict that BLM will use this to inflame racial tensions until the elections so that the DNC can continue with their tired old troupe of "Democrats are for minorities and Republicans are for whites" campaign. Then the everything will die down and go back to normal, except to a backdrop of urban blight.

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    could well have escaped. They were protecting the public by stopping him. We can't live in a society where you get to go free if you can beat a cop in hand to hand combat

    I guess I disagree with this... I don't think you can just shoot suspects if you don't manage to capture them properly. I think the question is whether he shot to stop him getting away (not ok for police to do imo), or whether he shot in self defense because the taser was being pointed at him (ok imo).

    I would like to see police corruption addressed, and even today cops deny that they are corrupt. With that kind of attitude from the entire establishment there really is no other option than trying to smash the system and start over.

    I'm reluctant to agree that "smashing the system" is going to be productive. I'm happy if it gets addressed though, but riots like this should not be encouraged or bowed to. Surely there are decisive actions that can be taken to fix these things that are not "smash stuff".

    I predict that BLM will use this to inflame racial tensions until the elections so that the DNC can continue with their tired old troupe of "Democrats are for minorities and Republicans are for whites"

    fuck them. fuck this whole circus. it's un-American and parasitic on the American people. We've had enough.

    eta: I was censored here on SaidIt without explanation

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    don't manage to capture them properly.

    Propertly according to whom? This is a meaningless term that purposefully hides the ramifications of your poorly thought out policy.

    I think you started off with the conclusion that the shooting was wrong and worked backwards to invent a framework for what an arrest should look like that precludes this shooting being justifiable, and you gave zero thought to how fucked up it would be if your framework was actually used in practice.

    First off, you would be encouraging violence against police because anyone who could catch a police officer off guard and land a lucky first shot would essentially be allowed to go free.

    This environment would of course make the cops even more aggressive in response. A very bad situation all around.

    Second you are creating a justice system based on gorilla troop pecking order rules. The biggest gorilla gets to do whatever the fuck they want because they can beat up anyone who has a problem with it. The second is only accountable to the first and so on. This is not justice. It is not civilized. It does not work like that anywhere in the world.

    Third it removes the advantage of intelligence from the equation. Guns are the great equalizer. Why should the weak yet smart not be allowed to utilize technology to be the dominant Male?

    Fourth, this essentially eliminates the possibility of women on the force as they would not be able to gently capture any Male while taking a beating from them.

    It would in fact force us to select for the biggest, most brutish males to be police officers, which would select for low IQ, aggressive and violent men. How the fuck do you imagine that would go?

    Fifth it would require early retirement for cops because everyone gets old and weak. And an old cop would not be able to do the job with your rules in place.