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[–]Drewski 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

J, I think you'll find that if you post any controversial opinion online you're going to get some name calling, shilling, attempting to derail the topic, etc. I imagine most of us have experienced it in some way or another, including here on Saidit. I understand it can be upsetting, but I'd rather Saidit err on the side of free speech than censoring content and opinions. As magnora7 has said, the pyramid of debate is more of a guideline than a strict rulebook for content moderation.

I've found that the best thing to do is just ignore trolls and low effort replies. It's not worth your time and energy, and if you show that you're becoming agitated by their tactics they're just going to intensify them.

[–]jmichaelhudsondotnet[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I can hear that, this comment I am posting about in particular was beyond the pale, and it was overlooked, oddly, when reported, and it was a mountain of it from a single user, and it was clearly a form of harassment.

I am being pretty thick skinned I think about the rest of it, otherwise you turn into a lolcow.

Also, though, it is my work, I write books about this type of thing, so part of it is a demonstration to draw attention so others can see.

https://leanpub.com/mentalselfdefense

I have been at this a long time, strangers on the internet are not my main concern, being stalked by thugs is my much bigger concern, which is happening and one of the things I am writing about. People need to know, there is a reason to be anonymous, but some one has to stand up to them.

I am compiling a list of tactics, maybe it is a fools errand, but I consider it research, and my way practicing intellectual jujitsu and kung fu.

I will never be a soldier(i hope, probably, shit would have to be dire....), but this is my part of doing the intellectual side of engaging in the conflict against, you know, the forces of evil.

I am also more concerned about the ratio of trolls to humans, would sure like to see more players on the field against the sockpuppets and robot horde.

However, just so you know, your response is also a form of a shill tactic that benefits them, "dont be so butthurt", especially if your only response is to say something to me and not them or the admins.

Fair enough?

[–]Drewski 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I was just offering an anecdote based on my experience in good faith, but if you want to call me a shill too more power to ya.

[–]jmichaelhudsondotnet[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

An anecdote is like a story, you are offering me more of a tip or advice, which is ok.

I did not call you a shill, I said you are doing something that shills often do. Not because what you said is wrong or bad, but because of your omission of addressing the point of the OP.

fair enough?

(but if you drag it out and refuse to meet in the middle ground, well then...)

[–]comments 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I did not call you a shill, I said you are doing something that shills often do.

People pick up what seems "normal" behavior from those around them sometimes. I've heard the same advice time and time and time again -- "if you don't like it, just ignore it." I've repeated it too. I'm not sure now if it's good advice or not. Sometimes things need to be addressed, you wouldn't ignore early signs of an illness in your body, why do it in other contexts? But it's also true that people sometimes go around with the hope of provoking some sort of reaction, and that just building a good environment people can move to often seems more helpful than fighting a bad environment. But I suppose that's a form of allowing an invasion or allowing yourself to be marginalized, in a way.

I think pointing out the tactics people are using is helpful. Though I don't like the degree to which it's done with animosity and insults too, that doesn't really seem helpful to me and seems suspect.

[–]jmichaelhudsondotnet[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

yawn more of same