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[–]bald-janitor 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Daily reminder that snow is drunk!

[–]Tiwaking 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)

Probably not. He's trying to get the admins to draw a firm line as to where paedophilia begins and ends and on what basis.

Is it based on what is legally allowable in your country?

Or is it based on something more arbitrary (i.e. morals)?

I get the impression that d3rr and magnora7's stance is a moral one and I agree with that.

And I would rather not get involved in a debate about kiddy fucking.

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    [–]basedaf1 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

    yes I'm a pedophile, and also you're English is so good you should argue with all the natives here about grammar

    [–]Jesus-Christ 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    I like the little feud you two have. I find it pretty funny.

    [–]basedaf1 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    I find it funny that this site is so small there are recognizable usernames. I'm leaving this site as of tomorrow as I lost faith in the post mentioned here. For u/snow 's sake, can you be the judge on who's the winner?

    [–]Jesus-Christ 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Can't say there's a winner, but I think outing someone as a pedo is a pretty serious allegation. When the incel sub arrived Snow hasn't stopped talking in poor taste about them, so I'm not surprised the people there have taken a disliking towards him. His said some stupid shit in the past that I disagree with, I'm beginning to believe he's an elaborate troll. If he's not then he digs himself deeper holes with these posts. I don't blame you for leaving tbh.

    [–]newguy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I'm beginning to believe he's an elaborate troll. If he's not then he digs himself deeper holes with these posts. I don't blame you for leaving tbh.

    There are a few users I wonder this about. What should be done though? Should the admins be removing people based on the suspicion of them being a long-term troll?

    [–]Jesus-Christ 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Unless they drag down the pyramid of debate then I don't think anything can be done, though posts like these really shouldn't be allowed unless there's significant evidence for it.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Please stop interacting with /u/snow directly they feel you are harassing them.

    [–]basedaf1 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    You realize snow literally made a post to harass me right here right? This is like a guy complaining someone broke his fist using his head.

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Hahahaa yes I realize, and I've unofficially called them out on this too. If you want to report snow for harassment they'll get the same message and warning.

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      [–]Tiwaking 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

      Ahh so you and I have come to the same conclusion about morals and ethics.

      "My stance is that people who want to remove peoples ability to vote shouldnt be allowed to vote"

      I support their moral stance against kiddy fucking because I agree with it.

      Enforcing moralistic and subjective rules by consensus is something that all good citizens have a duty to perform.

      This is why I didnt want to get into a debate about kiddy fucking because the morality of kidding fucking is WTF.

      [–]basedaf1 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      the morality of defending Jews in Nazi Germany was also pretty WTF if you ask me

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        [–]Tiwaking 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

        On the other hand, I see a lot of people saying that there's no general consensus and because of that we need clear rules.

        You and I are trying to come up with a consensus now, with our discussion. Ultimately the full power of agreement and enforcement is in d3rr and magnora7's hands.

        All I see regarding justifications is that you agree with them. We're back to "I don't like it".

        Yes I know that "I dont like it" is my only justification for agreement. Mainly because I expect people to know that kiddy fucking is wrong. Is sexually objectifying young people (arguably below 18) wrong? How wrong is it? All I know is that it is not Wronger than wrong but it is still probably wrong. If we could come to a consensus to the wrongness of it then. Well that would be quite a feat actually.

        So you judge individual cases based on your personal morale.

        Ouu thats some highfalutin chicanery you done be tryin on lil ole me!

        (Depending on what country you live in obviously as Sharia Law is nonsense) In western law judges are meant to rule based not only on the rule of law, but also consider the impact on the victim and the impact (usually financial) on the offender. This is also dependent on whether your country practices restorative justice and/or has the death penalty.

        If a society rules that there is an age of consent, then this is not always a deciding factor. Mentally retarded people who have no way to consent, drunk people, drugged people. Any participant who can be ruled as mentally deficient will be declared vulnerable. Duress as well.

        Its strange to have this conversation considering our community bans porn.

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          [–]Tiwaking 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

          Then you have no good justification for banning child pornography.

          Our community bans pornography.

          I'm trying to point out the hipocracy in your reasoning, you argue that your point of view is the general consensus.

          I already pointed this out:

          Ahh so you and I have come to the same conclusion about morals and ethics.

          "My stance is that people who want to remove peoples ability to vote shouldnt be allowed to vote" <- this line of reasoning fails.

          And I've been saying that to come to a consensus you need discussion. I didnt mean a "general consensus". That was my mistake and I should not have included "general" in the quote.

          I'm not aware of drunkenness being a successful defence against criminal charges

          In my country it is. Ignorance of the law is also a valid defence (i.e. a guy ate a dog once)

          If you want my opinion about this whole affair it is this:

          1. No sexually objectifying anyone under the age of 25 of any gender.

          Maybe I should put this in 'unpopular opinion'?

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            [–]Tiwaking 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

            Why not just assume that people have opinions about weather they should be objectified or not and say that nobody that doesn't publicly present themselves mainly as a sexual object should be sexually objectified?

            "A shoe that is too large is apt to trip one, and when too small, to pinch the feet. So it is with those whose fortune does not suit them." - Horace

            "Because we do" is not a good reason for anything.

            I didnt think ENTP's existed until I met you. /u/Snow look! Its an ENTP!

            In all honesty, Im just going to throw my "No sexually objectifying material of anyone under the age of 25 of any gender." opinion into the ring and hope for the best. Hopefully some consensus will be reached.

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                [–]basedaf1 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                no they never clarified a stance, basically if m7 doesn't like looking at it it will go

                [–]Chipit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

                Pedophiles are attracted to children. Sexually mature humans with pubic hair and secondary sexual characteristics aren't arousing to them.

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                  [–]Chipit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

                  Pedophiles are attracted to little kids. Put breasts or wide hips on the kids and they can't pop a boner.

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                    [–]Chipit 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                    You know a suspiciously large amount about this, buddy. You're sure you're not a pedo yourself? Why else do you know all these specific laws? What motivated you to do all this research?

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                      [–]Chipit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                      Yeah but I don't know the state laws on stealing, how much in dollar amounts make it a felony, etc. etc. But I would if I were a criminal interested in stealing.

                      [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                      You may find my not-scientific semi-random musings in this post sort of interesting: https://saidit.net/s/pedogate/comments/eqo/the_many_types_of_pedophiles_war_is_worse_not_for/

                      It's not a pleasant topic, but folks need to be open to discussing it, or at least be aware. I pondered on it while proving to myself and the world that the Pedophocracy exists, by aggregating this article and 2 lists of widely tolerated systemic abuse: https://infogalactic.com/info/Pedophocracy