The most bizarre and surreal event in the last decade of US politics - and it's obviously a hefty competition -- is watching US liberals who see NAZIS and HITLER under every MAGA hat finally encounter real-deal Nazis in Ukraine, and they are eager to arm, fund and revere them.

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[–]binaryblob 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

Even if it were true (which it isn't), I think the US would indeed fund the literal Nazi's to get rid of Russians for a low price, because it's an easy geopolitical move. Regardless of whether the Ukrainians are literal angels, it's beneficial to interfere for many reasons.

If Putin wants to potentially change the equation, he has to launch nukes, but that's still assuming any of them will hit their targets. Who can know for sure that a space laser isn't already in place to eliminate such threats? The world's super power only had 90 years to prepare for global thermonuclear war. Do you really want to gamble nobody figured out a way to neutralize nukes?

[–]FreedomUltd[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

If Putin wants to potentially change the equation, he has to launch nukes, but that's still assuming any of them will hit their targets. Who can know for sure that a space laser isn't already in place to eliminate such threats? The world's super power only had 90 years to prepare for global thermonuclear war. Do you really want to gamble nobody figured out a way to neutralize nukes?

I don't want to fuck around with any form of nuclear war. And I don't want to have a stupid conversation around the "their nukes probably don't even work!" talking point.

I think the US would indeed fund the literal Nazi's to get rid of Russians for a low price, because it's an easy geopolitical move. Regardless of whether the Ukrainians are literal angels, it's beneficial to interfere for many reasons.

You're not the only one who lets the "we care about Ukrainians" mask slip, and instead says it's a good deal for the USA to pay so little and have them die for "us".

Even if it were true (which it isn't)

So debunk it. Include links.

[–]captainramen 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

You're not the only one who lets the "we care about Ukrainians" mask slip, and instead says it's a good deal for the USA to pay so little and have them die for "us".

I don't think it's a human being

[–]binaryblob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I don't want to fuck around with any form of nuclear war. And I don't want to have a stupid conversation around the "their nukes probably don't even work!" talking point.

It's not a discussion, because probably the nukes do still explode and perhaps, if there is no enemy they will reach their targets, but then again, perhaps the entire launch infrastructure has been infiltrated twenty years ago and not a single nuke will ever reach their target. I am just saying there is a probability that the US or one of their allies came up with something smart and the nukes were just worthless junk all those years. If the US has counter-measures, they would obviously not share that, because it means they can conquer Russia when Russia starts a war completely legally. The important point is that Russia has no means of escalation left other than first tactical nukes and then strategic nukes. Considering most people in power like wealth and not glowing ashes in their backyard, it's unlikely anyone will ever start global thermonuclear war. Russia had a chance to conquer Ukraine, but they fucked up and now the only outcome is Russia being pushed back to the original border, if they are lucky, and perhaps further. From what I understand Russia still listens to the threats of the US, although it wasn't disclosed what exactly the consequences would be. It was disclosed that Russia responded, which is a sign of weakness. Starting a war when you don't want to cross the only superpower in the world, is just stupid, if you ask me. The rules of engagement is to first become a superpower and only then start attacking others (like China intends to do, although China is also stupid for posing threats before they are at this point and are openly challenging a superpower, while they would still be destroyed easily in 2023).

You're not the only one who lets the "we care about Ukrainians" mask slip

I never pretended, because first of all I am not even American and as such I am not part of the group under discussion. All I was doing was commenting on matter of global politics. My personal opinion literally doesn't matter.

So debunk it. Include links.

The now murdered head of Wagner said so: https://www.euronews.com/2023/03/24/wagner-boss-openly-defies-kremlin-ukraine-nazi-narrative

[–]FreedomUltd[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Interesting that you offer the head of Wagner as a reliable source.

I'll offer you the western media for a decade plus, right up until April of 2022.

I've never seen a sudden Orwellian revision of history the way Western media re-wrote everything on Ukraine soon as Russia invaded:

It went from calling Azov "Nazis" to calling them heroes; from warning of neo-Nazism in Ukraine to maligning such warnings as Russian propaganda.

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1706687948685553864

[–]rundown9 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Do you really want to gamble nobody figured out a way to neutralize nukes?

Do you?

It only takes a few, a few capitol cities to be annihilated, and world society would collapse.

Nuclear winter would collapse crops, food riots would happen everywhere.

Fucking "lasers"? Think tank morons have no business being near power, that the human race has allowed these idiots to be in charge perhaps mean we're not even meant to survive as a species.

[–]binaryblob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Do you?

I don't know. Either I am the smartest man on the planet, because I did figure out how to beat nukes or the US already figured out the same 50 years ago. Do you think I am the smartest man on the planet? I don't think you do.

Fucking "lasers"?

I am not saying there are lasers, but there could be all kinds of mechanisms. Again, they had 90 years to figure out a solution to what is literally the most valuable problem worth solving. Do you really think nobody ever gave the order to figure out a solution? If so, it would be the most irresponsible policy ever and frankly, if the world is that stupid, perhaps extinction wouldn't be such a bad idea.

[–]rundown9 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Russia has thousands of nuclear weapons, but let's just say 500 are actually ready to fire.

Let's also say 250 of those fail to launch for whatever reason, fair enough.

Let's say western anti-missle tech can stop 50% of those, wishful thinking even for the Rand corp.

Even if 50% of those miss completely into the ocean, 30, maybe 40 actually hit targets - what would the world look like the next day? week? month? It's a fools bet either way - unless of course they want to die, maybe they do.

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Your analysis is based on what other people have said; mine is based on original ideas. Nuclear weapons are obsolete if you know what I know. In fact, there are multiple ways in which nuclear weapons could be rendered inert, now that I think about it. I just figured out another method, which exploits a weakness in all such weapons. It would allow let's say an alien invasion force to destroy all weapons in milliseconds globally. Nobody would ever know what hit them.

I think war is an activity for underdeveloped species. The science fiction depiction of war with "star ships" as such will never happen, well assuming they are able to think of what I did.

[–]captainramen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Your problem is that just because you have an idea, that idea can somehow be made manifest.

Well I have bad news for you. Great idea but there's one problem: our society doesn't force kids to do enough math to produce the engineers necessary to produce this tech. They are learning about all the genders tho.

We also don't have the manufacturing base for it.

Our elites are retards.

And even if it we did somehow have this technology, pretty much everyone that can launch rockets into space have an ASAT capability.

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

We also don't have the manufacturing base for it.

The West can produce everything they want, but it's entirely possible they don't know they want it.

Our elites are retards.

This is paradoxal. I suppose by "elites" you mean the people that would have been considered the elites a few hundred years ago like heads of state, etc. The elites we have today are indeed idiots. The new elites are the ones you never hear about walking around on some Big Tech campus. They might not have the most money, but one can wonder who actually has "power" in this world, if not for those in the semi-conductor industry.

Elites in ancient times were well educated. These days they are inches away from showing up in a track suit. The amount of respect for authorities is dwindling in every country, because if all you are is a leader by force and not because you have something to offer, you soon won't be a leader anymore.

Technology companies will become the new master, if they aren't already.

[–]captainramen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The West can produce everything they want, but it's entirely possible they don't know they want it

As you can see, the brain rot hasn't just affected our elites