U.S. NEWS Elderly couple found dead in apparent murder-suicide, left notes about high medical bills

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[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Most people want affordable healthcare. We just disagree on the best way of achieving it.

I think the term you were looking for was "socialised healthcare'

EDIT. some people find it extremely hard to accept reality, and go into massive and endless personal attacks when confronted with it.

Best not to take anything they say seriously, as their minds are faulty.

[–]IamRedBeard[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Your local education is socialism. Your local police force is socialism. Your roads are Socialism. Your local government is held up by Socialism. The VA is held up by socialism. The funds for the 9/11 Survivors is paid for by socialism. Your power plant can run power cheaply to every corner of your town because its Crowd Funded. That is Socialism Homeskillit.

America already runs on socialism, my dude. And if we Taxed everybody Equally and closed the Tax Loopholes for the wealthy we could have affordable healthcare.

But you just keep voting republican and watch how nothing ever changes or gets better.

Wait what is the deficit now under Trump? That kind of spending just doesn't seem terribly conservative to me. Hmm.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You've gone on a very long rant to avoid admitting that affordable and socialised healthcare are not necessarily one and the same.

You then make an unsubstantiated claim, which is the same as "we've never done socialism right" and ignores the 30+ million deaths directly caused by the last state attempt at (communist) socialism.

You then make a personal dig, missing the mark by a mile, since I've never voted republican.

Next up you try an associate an unrelated point with the previous statements and then use it to derail yourself, since you are calling out the Trump that you hate as a bad republican, who you previously blamed for the lack of affordable healthcare.

Are you sure you've thought all this through?

I'm personally in favour of socialised healthcare, by the way. I just think that in order for it to work you need strong borders and to keep corporate cancers under control, but then I'm a national socialist.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

We should have medicare for all with private healthcare based on classical liberal free market principals. Meaning not one or two healthcare facilities in the state that fix prices and get bailed out by big daddy government when they screw up. Instead we should have many healthcare options in a state all competing. That will being down prices and if one fails they do not have the option to be bailed out which will create incentives for righteous practice.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Do you think classic liberal free market works?

My experience is that human nature leads to people cutting corners, lying about products and outright defrauding customers, which in turn leads to governments stepping in and making laws and standards and within a short time there's massive over-regulation and crippling compliance costs.

And hops in beer instead of magic mushrooms (damn those germans).

free markets only really work when there's full visibilty of all processes, ie. game theory.

For everything else you need state oversight to keep abusers in check.