U.S. NEWS Elderly couple found dead in apparent murder-suicide, left notes about high medical bills

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[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

You've gone on a very long rant to avoid admitting that affordable and socialised healthcare are not necessarily one and the same.

You then make an unsubstantiated claim, which is the same as "we've never done socialism right" and ignores the 30+ million deaths directly caused by the last state attempt at (communist) socialism.

You then make a personal dig, missing the mark by a mile, since I've never voted republican.

Next up you try an associate an unrelated point with the previous statements and then use it to derail yourself, since you are calling out the Trump that you hate as a bad republican, who you previously blamed for the lack of affordable healthcare.

Are you sure you've thought all this through?

I'm personally in favour of socialised healthcare, by the way. I just think that in order for it to work you need strong borders and to keep corporate cancers under control, but then I'm a national socialist.

[–]IamRedBeard[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

You call that a long rant? That took me under two minutes to type. You just using two fingers these days? That's okay though, hunt and peck can still get er done.

You know you are right: I dont know you, and while some other people on here I strongly disagree with - a whole lot of them have redeeming qualities. But you are an established racist, some of the things you have said to me reeks of psychopathy, fuck man, I dont care If I can figure out what you are and if I did, I still dont care.

As far as I am concerned, the way you are all over the place, to me you could be a fucking Martian.

I dont mean that in a derogatory way. I mean it. You have made me believe that creatures from space have landed, are among us - and I am speaking to one now.

So no. I dont have you pegged one bit. I cant figure you at all. You are completely beyond my comprehension. Likely because you are from space.

Now I might be a bit off the pyramid here - but you have stated in print before that you have intended to troll me so I figure fair is fair. I never know when you are arguing in good faith or not - Or even what your goals are.

Right now your are just my little Martian online pet. Cause I cant get rid of ya, I might as well just feed ya and see how long you stick around.

Live long and I hope your butthole grows taste buds.

*Edited for grammar and extra snark.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I agree with you on most things redbeard but I still think sodomy is gross and not natural. And when gay people have sex they have a much higher percentage of getting prolapses. Sodomy will never be normal, ever. Things are not meant to go in your butthole.

Why wish a butthole to grow taste buds that gross, and not natural at all.

[–]IamRedBeard[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You just made me laugh almost to tears.

I dont know if it was intentional or not, but Thank You. I hope you have a wonderful night.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It was suppose to be funny, but it is also my opinion and science backs me on the putting big things in your butt is probably not biologically appropriate. Your butt can't take much. That's why adult diapers for the gay community are selling like crazy due to prolapses.

They can do what they want though, I ain't stopping them. But there should be warnings to teens about anal sex not promoting it. Your butthole is not designed for penetration. Over and out.

Straight people who do sodomy, groooosss. Wait to your married like I did, and only use the part that is designed to do that stuff.

A vagine. Eventually your going to have problems if you do it any other way.

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

May I please remind you of the pyramid of debate?

Ad hominem attacks are at the bottom.

I'm not sure why you think I'm racist. Maybe you declared it and I didn't bother to disabuse you of the notion? At any rate, that's called a 'shoot the messenger' fallacy.

My goals are always clearly defined. I challenged your statement about 'affordable' healthcare, correctly intuiting that you meant 'socialized' healthcare. That's all. You chose to go off on a massive tangent about it, instead of just saying "yes, you are right".

Maybe i'm a chatbot AI that's been trained on the chans, who knows? It shouldn't matter. We should be able to debate issues without it needing to become personal and antagonistic.

I think you should check out the differences between national socialism and the marxist kind. I think, from your authoritarian and yet private enterprise stance, that you'd ike it.

You'd need to move past the emotional investment you have in labeling everything that you din't understand, though.

Bleep, Bloop.

[–]IamRedBeard[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

Blah blah blah, you tried to troll me and now I dont take you seriously any more and you are sad about it. I know it hurts.

I have your racist dialog in black and white - unless you have deleted or changed it. You have a bucket of fallacies on your own yet you want to preach to me? I...

Okie doke.

Whatever,

At least if you are pestering me, you aren't bothering anybody else.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But you do too. You need to have proof to call someone a racist. It's slander if otherwise. I love all people, even racists.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Perhaps, just perhaps, you need to get over yourself. You are completely failing to obey saidit's rules, and as a sub mod, that's pretty much exactly what u/magnora7 has been posting about.

Where is my racist dialog, btw?

[–]IamRedBeard[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Blah, blah, blah,

"YoU ARe COmpLEly FaiLing TO OBEy SaidiTS RULEs!!"

"from bobbobbybob via /s/Internet sent 3 days ago

show parent

You quoted me here: "It would be laughable if it wasn't so tragic."

Then you said:

I'm a bit disappointed, tbh. I was straight up trolling you, thinking you'd explode at me, but you only raged slightly. A low 3/10 for effect. I'll try harder next time.

You have flat admitted to trying to troll me and argue in bad faith. Listen my Martian friend, I can choose to deal with you however I wish. I dont have to bow to any of your triggered demands. You can REEEEEE at me all you want.

You are a bad Martian, and no cookies for you for awhile. If you dont like it, you can always refuse to deal with me. Nobody - NOBODY - is forcing you to continue this dialog.

Go sit and think about reading a book.

*Edit for formatting - and of course, an Extra helping of Snark.

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Yep, I committed a single infraction, in response to you failing time and time again to engage in rational debate, but instead insulting me, constantly.

Move on. Grow up. This is saidit, not reddit or a chan. Different rules.

Also, you have still failed to show my 'racism'.

[–]IamRedBeard[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

A single infraction? HA! You mean the single infraction that you admitted to.

See that is the thing about it. You said something once that annoyed me so bad, and I thought was so ignorant that I found you as somebody I Don't want to debate with. But like a bad prom date that wont take a hint, you are all over me. "Debate me, Debate me!! Just the tip!!"

Okay, that's fine. You want to troll me that is fine. I see you use the "pyramid of debate like a club. You Demand others adhere to it - but YOU are allowed to go off script at any time that you feel is justified. That is appearant just with a stroll through your post history.

When you are somewhat given a little leeway to debate with you twist your opponents words and perpously misunderstand them so that they are damn near unrecognizable. Also visible in your post history. And here is the thing - you will win your arguments by pure frustration of your enemy and endless badgering of your foe. Its not a debate with you, it going back and defending words you have purposely misconstrued until the whole paragraph we are "debating" is entirely tore down, reanalyzed and re written.

You HAVE to win, you have to have the last say - you NEED that parting shot.

I have dealt with your kind before, there are millions like you - You are an absolute clone.

So NO. I dont take you seriously, I wont take you seriously, I dont HAVE to debate with you, you are a manipulator and I see through your bullshit. But if you want to play these playground games I'm okay with it.

Like I said. You can be my little angry pet Martian buddy and we can go on adventures across the internet together. But Nobody is forcing you to speak with me. You keep coming back so, hell, you must like this as much as I do.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You put so much effort into telling me why I'm a bad person that you don't have to debate with.

Perhaps if you put more energy into actually having a coherent argument, you wouldn't need to.

Remember. This all started because you conflated socialised healthcare with affordable healthcare, then were not honest enough to admit your mistake.

Do you remember why I trolled you? (and trolling seems to be blown up to mean something other that 'presented you with a theory popular in saidit that I knew you'd dislike') It was because you ignored the liberal affiliation of two mass murderers (repeatedly) in order to focus on the 'white supremacy' of a single one, so that your weak argument would't have to be exposed.

You are the one without honesty.

I keep coming back because I'm recording your insults and reporting you again and again to the site owner. u/magnora7

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

You both seem to be arguing your point just fine. I suggest you stop speaking to him if it's causing you that much stress. Report future comments you have problems with using the reporting system so the mods can see it too

[–]IamRedBeard[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Yes cry him a river. I'd be fine explaining to him why I dont want to speak with you - yet after stating the fact over and over you will not take the hint.

Its like you walk with your head down and keep running into a door.

And you keep blaming the door.

So please, please, please, PLEASE send him my way.

I bet you were the kind of kid in school that would sucker punch somebody and run to a teacher for safety. Because you act just like a school yard bully and a brat.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

We should have medicare for all with private healthcare based on classical liberal free market principals. Meaning not one or two healthcare facilities in the state that fix prices and get bailed out by big daddy government when they screw up. Instead we should have many healthcare options in a state all competing. That will being down prices and if one fails they do not have the option to be bailed out which will create incentives for righteous practice.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Do you think classic liberal free market works?

My experience is that human nature leads to people cutting corners, lying about products and outright defrauding customers, which in turn leads to governments stepping in and making laws and standards and within a short time there's massive over-regulation and crippling compliance costs.

And hops in beer instead of magic mushrooms (damn those germans).

free markets only really work when there's full visibilty of all processes, ie. game theory.

For everything else you need state oversight to keep abusers in check.