8 Mysterious Facts about Gunung Padang Pyramid. Geologically dated to be +20,000 years old. Indonesian Govt was offered $1 Billion for 60% ownership, after advanced technology was discovered in 2014. Excavation has not resumed since.

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[–]Vigte 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It was this particular site that started my questioning of the whole "Hancockian-Atlantis" vector the "research" community appears to be headed down.

While I personally have no evidence against this site - there are some things that stand out to me - especially when I consider my own thesis about why this is happening.

Long story short: instead of a "blue beam from space" - I think we may very well see a "Green beam from earth" - that is to say, the faking of ancient sites/artifacts/lineages to enact a political power-play.

Such a thing might explain how complaints like these, are actually occuring:

I tried to be pretty thorough before writing my critique of your work at Gunung Padang. I sought out every morsel of information I could find that you had released on the net. I watched a number of videos where you were interviewed, or where you toured the site with visiting alternative scholars, like Andrew Collins, Robert Schoch, and Semir Osmanagic of Bosnian “Pyramid” fame. I surveyed a wide sample of media reports and articles about your findings, both credulous and skeptical. Now, you say we should not make judgments or criticisms until your findings have been formally published—but your reservations do not seem to apply to the Atlantis True Believers who have been merrily building great towers of speculation on exactly the same data as I had access to. In effect, you have handed control of the Gunung Padang narrative over to the lunatic fringe, while telling those of us with any professional expertise to shut up and wait for the data. There’s something wrong with that picture.

As much as I am part of the "lunatic fringe" (and a target of and still a non-believer in - the mainstream science apparatus) being handed the site, I agree with their assessment... something is wrong here.

Indonesian government geologist Danny Natawidjaja says that his team’s work in 2011 drilled into the hill and found rocks, organic material, and possible cement that had radiocarbon dates back to 22,000 BCE. The dated organic samples were not associated with artifacts and therefore are dependent on the hypothesis that the entire hill is an artificial construction.

We all know symbols matter to those in charge.

So why is "Hancock" the first to put his name to paper (ie: resigning his social status to start change and inspire others to "sign up") - Dr Richard Firestone (and his fiery-stone... he was the one who proposed the comet theory...) - and Danny Hilman... and his... hill.

Tenuous, perhaps... but I still notice this shit and I know the enemy isn't stupid, as much as it seems at times.

Why fake an alien invasion - when you can falsely claim to be "Atlantean" - show people your (tax-payer purchased) "space ships" and "magic medicines"... and you can fire up ANY political power move YOU WANT. ANYTHING.

You want to attack China using greenbeam as the set-up? Easy. You want to get people to give up all tech by lying and saying it's what sank atlantis (or some equally stupid shit)? Easy. You want people to bow down and worship you? Easy.

Why eliminate most of the population, when they are your "cash cows"... literally. Let the cows fight over the slowly depleted resources, it won't touch you in the ivory tower, right? Time and time again, they show a propensity for NOT wanting to get their own hands dirty.

That's why I say fuck aliens, fuck blue beam - it's THIS shit - this archeology shit, that's what the real plan is. Just as I said they will make a conspiracy theorist of as many people as possible, so they can use the outrage to over-throw the old world order - they will equally use this "new-archaeology" to overthrow previous history and rewrite it (to their benefit, obviously).

Tread carefully.

[–]Tom_Bombadil[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Why fake an alien invasion - when you can falsely claim to be "Atlantean" - show people your (tax-payer purchased) "space ships" and "magic medicines"... and you can fire up ANY political power move YOU WANT. ANYTHING.

Because you've told you're cabal that your ethnic group is the original race, and the chosen by God. Any other more ancient and more advanced civilization undermines the hoax of the cabal.

Especially, the main members who actually believe their crazy prophecy(s). Cause if it's proven to be fake, then it all falls apart.
Aliens, are a hoax that the cabal is in on, so it's controlled by the cabal. Not a threat.

Also, I suspect an Extinction level event is going to happen in the next 100 years that has nothing to do with any human activity. The magnetic poles are moving, and accelerating. The Earth's magnetosphere is significantly weakening, so we're many multiples more vulnerable to solar disaster from coronal mass ejections than we were in the 70's or 80's.

The media won't mention it cause it will begin a mass panic.

Watch these two videos in order. They are quality sources.

Plasma COSMOLOGY

Cosmic Disaster: CIA Classified

These videos are a crash course of how fucked we all are. :-/.

These ancient and advanced civilizations disappeared for a reason. Next to nothing was left standing. Nothing can stop this.

The handful of survivors lived Underground to escape. Interesting timing that DARPA urgently requested Underground facilities yesterday, with today as the deadline.

Even so, we have years, and possibly decades to get the tunnels ready. The poles aren't moving that quickly.

One additional Interesting factoid. The expected point of magnetic pole convergence is right next to Indonesia...

[–]Vigte 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Because you've told you're cabal that your ethnic group is the original race, and the chosen by God. Any other more ancient and more advanced civilization undermines the hoax of the cabal.

Especially, the main members who actually believe their crazy prophecy(s). Cause if it's proven to be fake, then it all falls apart.

Aliens, are a hoax that the cabal is in on, so it's controlled by the cabal. Not a threat.

I agree 100% if you're saying what I think you are.

You're saying that the "more advanced aliens" would undermine "their" supremacy as "God's chosen ones" etc etc (I assume you mean hebrews, but this works equally as well for any religious extremism) - and thus it's not the play they will take. I agree!

Along this vein - an "alien invasion" would have to be purely of "destruction" - and "defeated" in a "War of the Worlds" kind of sense - (my guess would be by one of the two religions that propound alien knowledge - to set themselves up as one world religion would be the "saviors".)

But even that is relatively complicated and involves the wasting of resources, land - infrastructure - essentially - it ruins a bunch of the big-kids lego pieces!!

I don't think they want to get rid of us - there are a billion ways they could have done that already... I feel like they want us alive and functioning (to a certain limit obviously) and feeding and building their monstrosity.

Following that thought, then yes, the "ancient civilization" "green beam" idea would be far more likely.

Edit: still watching the videos (in order, as suggested)

[–]Tom_Bombadil[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not quite.

They'd be fine with the alien hoax, cause they are setting it up as a hoax. And the hoaxters all know about it.

I think that the ancient civilizations info is legit, but suppressed to keep the group unified in the current chosen-people belief.

If people discover that there have been previous iterations of advanced civilization then they will question the group unity, and try to determine the root-cause for the cataclysm to mitigate the catastrophe in the future.

A discovery like this could derail the plans of the elite, who always think that they'll escape in the end.

I don't think that ancient civilizations are hoaxes. The Sphinx was created before the end of the last ice age, and probably the pyramids, as well. We couldn't make them that precisely today, so the ancients were at least as capable as we. It's likely not a coincidence that the megafauna in the Americas died off at the same time (13000 years ago).