You probably worship Amen and don't know it.

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[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amun

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Priest_of_Amun

Interesting to read about but I'm not sure it's related to "amen" in prayers:

The Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, said: "Behold, I am bringing punishment upon Amun of Thebes, and Pharaoh and Egypt and her gods and her kings, upon Pharaoh and those who trust in him."
— Jeremiah 46:25 (KJV)

From wiki:

The word amen first occurs in the Hebrew Bible in Numbers 5:22 when the Priest addresses a suspected adulteress and she responds “Amen, Amen”. Overall, the word appears in the Hebrew Bible 30 times.

So they seem to actively discourage mentioning Amun in Abrhamic religions. But it's possible the exclamation "it is so" or "let it be" which is what Amen comes from, is from Amun. But I'm not sure it's directly connected with the intent of worshiping Amun. But it could be. Interesting idea, at the very least.

[–]Tom9152🕉☥♈✝☪✡🍝[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I know of the old testament statement about Amun. I read the bible figuratively, not literally. Ancient Hebrew didn't have vowels, so we're guessing. Some historians believe Amen and Amun to be two different gods. Amen the all father, human image, and Amun a Fertility god, golden calf. Most ancient peoples ended their prayers/spells with the names of powerful spirits. Considering the similarities between Amenism and Hebrewism, it's most likely the name of Amen. Few religious people would accept their religion EVOLVED from pagan Egypt. What convinced me was the exact same rules. If you call the lesser gods angels, you have the same religion as the Hebrews.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It seems possible. I just don't see a super hard link between the two other than a it was a popular religion and then many centuries later a popular exclamation meaning "It is the truth".

If there were more evidence tying the two together across this historical period it'd be more convincing to people, imo

[–]Tom9152🕉☥♈✝☪✡🍝[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

"a super hard link"

What type of evidence do you see as "super hard"?

Considering the significant difference to other religions and identical alphabet, description of god, and rules. What else do you need?

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe showing how it moved geographically over time, because the place of Amun is quite and distance from the place of Amen. And they were separated by like 1000 years.

It's like saying that because people say "rah rah rah!" at a football game, they're worshiping the sun god ra.

It's somewhat convincing but I'm still on the fence. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

And I may also agree that it's where that phonetically comes from, but to say it's actually an intended secret reference to Amun is a separate thing. The latter requires more proof than the former.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I guess my main issue is that there's no mention of Amun/Amen at all from the end of the Egyptian pharaohs like Amhenhotep (who added the amen to bring back amenism in the popular culture) until then it's mentioned in the Hebrew bible. That time gap leaves questions in my head, I guess.

However looking at it more and laying it out like a timeline, I am seeing this lineage of passing the torch:

Amun / Amun-Ra worship - 1600BC to 1100BC

Tutankhamun - 1325 BC

Amenhotep - 1100 BC

High Priests of Amun - 1080 BC to 775BC

In the Bible the Books of Chronicles (16:36), it is indicated that around 1000 BC, the word is used in its religious sense, with the people responding with "amen" to hearing the blessing: "Blessed be the Lord God of Israel from now and unto all eternity".

Mention of worship of Egyptian god of Amun as being forbidden in the Bible's Book of Jeremiah which Ends in 586 BC

Amen meaning "so be it" is first mentioned in Hebrew Bible book of Numbers - Written in the 400s BC

So I guess when I lay it out like that, the gap between Amenhotep and the Hebrew Bible mentions, doesn't look as big a gap as I first thought, and that High Priests of Amun link actually covers most of the gap between Amenhotep and the Bible.

I think I'm relatively convinced of the lineage of the sound itself. Now the only real question is if that still has any meaning in relation to the original. I think it's a stretch to say people are literally praising the ancient Egyptian god Amun when they say Amen at the end of their Christian prayer. But that is pretty clearly where the word itself and the religious connotation came from. Very interesting. Thanks for making the OP. I am going to have to read more about this.